Ep15: Attila Koksal – Even Deep Investing Experience Cannot Overcome Government Policies
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Guest profile
Attila Koksal is a Board member of Unlu Securities, Turkey’s leading investment house. He began his career in 1985 at the Center for International Financial Research, Inc., in Princeton. Between 1988 and 2001, he held senior positions in Turkey’s leading financial institutions and associations until he became a partner at Dundas Unlu.
He currently serves as a board member of Unlu & Co., Turkey’s leading investment house and holds board positions in a number of Turkish and international institutions. He served six years on the CFA Institute Board of Governors. He also previously served as Presidents Council Representative of CFA Institute EMEA region, and as President of the CFA Istanbul Society.
He holds an MBA from Drexel University and a BSc in Mechanical Engineering from Bogazici University.
In this episode, Attila shares his worst investment ever story venturing in the power generation industry and how government policy interference affected their business.
“With every investment, you should do your homework. You should really understand the implications of the investment and the possible outcomes.”
Attila Koksal
Topics Covered:
00:54 – Attila Koksal’s professional background as a serial investment banker
03:25 – Sharing his worst investment story venturing in the volatile market of the energy sector
04:15 – Setting up a co-generation plant to aid the power shortage in Turkey
04:44 – Their well-planned business feasibility: electricity to be sold to the grid and the by-product steam to be sold to local industrial companies close to their plant.
06:00 – He shared how they funded the plant: personal saving and bank leverages
07:23 – Factors affecting the energy prices: energy market regulators, an agreement between Russia where they import their natural gas, and government mandates
08:21 – How Turkey’s elections and the government’s populistic moves affected the electricity price
09:07 – The start of the plant losing money: high natural gas costs and they could not sell the steam
09:41 – Having an IRR is 10-12% for project
10:22 – The time they decided to stop operating and the start of selling off the energy production plant’s equipment
11:21 – Having a recoup of around 10% of their initial investment from the equipment that has been sold
13:44 – Factors that affected their revenue line: competition, government incentives for the use of coal for energy production
14:45 – Lessons Attila learned from the experience and the thing they missed that caused the loss
15:50 – The impact of the political intervention to any investment
17:58 – Did his relationship with his partner got affected after the business failed?
19:36 – Andrew’s takeaways from Attila’s story about failing in business
Main Takeaways
- Lesson 1: “I don’t think you should invest in an industry or a company which can be subject to political interventions.”– Attila Koksal
- Lesson 2: “With every investment, you should do your homework. You should really understand the implications of the investment and the possible outcomes.”– Attila Koksal
- Lesson 3: “Failing in business is not a crime. Failure in business happens all the time. The key thing is to ask if you are struggling in your own startup or other business like that. The key thing is to remain honest about the situation to your investors and to your banks. Make your case. Make sure that they know because if you start to hide what’s going on you can start to get into something some fraud, breaking the law and then you end up in trouble.”– Andrew Stotz
- Lesson 4. “In the middle of trouble within their own business. If you can just stay communicating with your investors. When people invest in a business they know its high risk. Just communicate. And that will help you to stay keep yourself out of trouble.”– Andrew Stotz
- Lesson 5. “Startup of a small business is a trap. We all dream that we’re going to have a very big and successful business and make a lot of money. But in the end, chances are you’re going to be trapped together, in this case, seven friends you’re going to be trapped in an investment that there’s no way out.”– Andrew Stotz
- Lesson 5. “Never invest in something where you have to rely on the government because our government can change as you explain for instance shifting to a preference for coal as an example for most people trying not to come up by. I always have had people come to me about different investment ideas of this or that related to a new government plan or policy and I’ve got a relationship with the government and I’m going to be able to get this. And I always say for the majority of investors never invest in something where you’re relying on the government to deliver something because they don’t have to and they have all the power in the world to just not show up for that. .”– Andrew Stotz
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Andrew’s books
- How to Start Building Your Wealth Investing in the Stock Market
- My Worst Investment Ever
- 9 Valuation Mistakes and How to Avoid Them
- Transform Your Business with Dr.Deming’s 14 Points
Andrew’s online programs
- Valuation Master Class
- Women Building Wealth
- The Build Your Wealth Membership Group
- Become a Great Presenter and Increase Your Influence
- Transform Your Business with Dr. Deming’s 14 Points
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About the show & host, Andrew Stotz
Welcome to My Worst Investment Ever podcast hosted by Your Worst Podcast Host, Andrew Stotz, where you will hear stories of loss to keep you winning. In our community, we know that to win in investing you must take the risk, but to win big, you’ve got to reduce it.
Your Worst Podcast Host, Andrew Stotz, Ph.D., CFA, is also the CEO of A. Stotz Investment Research and A. Stotz Academy, which helps people create, grow, measure, and protect their wealth.